The American far right is crashing after its Trump victory high

first_imgOpinion 17 Jan 2018 22:14 Report Facebook | Pick Share on Twitter justamug Facebook Twitter Stillgrizzly Since 9/11 Right Wing Terrorists have been responsible for 62 individual attacks resulting in deaths, and a total of 106 deaths.Islamic terrorists have been responsible for 23 individual attacks resulting in deaths, and a total of 119 deaths (49 of those in one single attack at the Pulse nightclub).https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf If you want to consider where media attention has disproportionately been directed you might consider the discrepancy between coverage of Islamic vs Right Wing terror groups, and the response (and spending) of the West’s governments in response to both, rather than positing an entirely irrelevant comparison between Communism (of which there is virtually no history of violent terrorism in the US) and white supremacy (which has a long history of the repression, murder and enslavement of a large chunk of the US population). And your straw man is pretty ludicrous – let’s include all deaths due to Communism in the 20th century, but when we talk about the Right’s responsibility for mass murder let’s ignore 80 million deaths from WW2, or the killing of 3 million by Suharto, or tens of thousands killed in Operation Condor, or the horrors of Apartheid etc. etc. Facebook Facebook Reply Reason (optional) johan1974 ‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain Show 12 more replies Loading comments… Trouble loading? Share 8 9 | Pick Twitter What happened in Charlottesville on 12 August? White nationalists gathered in Charlottesville, Virginia, to protest against a plan to remove a statue of Robert E Lee, the Confederacy’s top general in the American civil war.Demonstrators chanted racist statements, carried antisemitic placards and held torches during the “Unite the Right” rally, which was organised by white nationalist Jason Kessler.The march was met by anti-fascist demonstrators, and some skirmishes broke out before James Fields, 20, allegedly ploughed a car into a group of counter-demonstrators. Civil rights activist Heather Heyer, 32, died and others were injured. Fields has been charged with murder.  Twitter Twitter Share on Facebook Reply — I thought the Guardian online was free … — Antagonym The far right | Pick Reply Share on Facebook Share US politics 121 122 17 Jan 2018 20:31 bobrian Sly Guy Twitter Share on Facebook It is representative of a section which is a minority but not completely insignificant. The far right or loony right has about 15% support in many European countries. It’s probably about the same in the US. Reply Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Reply King Kong That was lot of words just to make one point! Plus, when your labelling – like the numerous times “radical right” appears – is removed, then there isn’t much there at all. Mainly just label, label, label, label..oh. Jack Tapper (!!!) label, label. (The Guardian is really on course to losing my subscription) Share on Facebook Show 6 more replies 17 Jan 2018 19:47 Report oldest recommendations Reply 25 50 Share Facebook Cas Mudde | Pick expanded Share on Twitter Reply Reply Twitter Trump 2020? 17 Jan 2018 20:02 next No – just left leaning ones. Remove your rose-tinted spectacles and look at what the left actually does. Jordon Hayward Twitter Share on Facebook I’ll grant you the comedy shows but CNN has plenty of rightwing people on it. I give you Wolf Blitzer as a prime example. And I can’t think of a single example on that list that is outright left-wing. The NYT, for example, gives plenty of space to centre-right commentators. I haven’t read it in ages, but David Brooks springs to mind. As it happens, I think it is a good thing that it does so, that it has a diversity of voices. I am merely taking issue with your claim that these are media outlets that are outright left-wing, in any sense analogous to the way that Fox is outright right-wing. Hey johan, please, continue being a “traitor” to the Pegida cause! Revel in the supposed insult that actually confirms you have humanity and decency. The world needs its good people to stand in opposition to its depraved, wicked and hate-filled ones. Heel goed! | Pick Share on Facebook Twitter Twitter Twitter Share on Facebook | Pick Show 8 more replies Twitter Facebook Report Share on Facebook It was “conflated with every conservative and/or Republican” because the far rights candidate is the leader and the party is doing everything within its power to support him, so anyone voting for the party is giving tacit support to the far right. 17 Jan 2018 21:31 Share Laurence Bury Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Twitter Share Report Share on Facebook Boomflaps Boomflaps Share on Facebook Share charlieblue 17 Jan 2018 19:37 I’ll grant you the comedy shows but CNN has plenty of rightwing people on it. I give you Wolf Blitzer as a prime example. SirSickboy Twitter 17 Jan 2018 19:34 Cas Mudde 13 14 Reply Share on Twitter Facebook Share Every single Republican candidate is per definition the candidate of the far right, because they wouldn’t vote Democrat. By that logic, voting for a Democrat is giving tacit support to radical Stalinists and supporters of the regime in North Korea. Share on Twitter charlieblue 17 Jan 2018 19:42 Report Share on Twitter Twitter | Pick Share on Twitter | Pick comment | Pick Reply Report Share on Facebook expatinscandinavia Share on Twitter Share 17 Jan 2018 22:06 First of all the Republicans hated Trump because he’s vulgar and ‘not at all our class’. Then they realised that as the whole world watches, fixated, his mad ramblings, quietly in the background they can do whatever they want – confident in their orange smokescreen. Twitter Report Share on Facebook 18 Jan 2018 9:05 17 Jan 2018 20:24 Share 17 Jan 2018 20:03 Share on Twitter Share Share on Twitter Aginuk Which illustrates a point–to you, Wolf Blitzer is right wing. Does that make Rachel Maddow a centrist? Twitter | Pick Facebook | Pick Share Doug_Mclure The influence of the far-right has always been overstated by the media. Take the KKK, for example. Over the last few decades, I doubt that any American political organization has received greater negative attention in our national news and entertainment media than the Ku Klux Klan, or KKK. For example, although white activist David Duke left that group over 35 years ago, the media still often identifies him as one of its former leaders, and partly as a consequence Duke’s support for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has regularly been treated as headline news. Such massive coverage may be objectively demonstrated. Googling “KKK” yields over 72 million results, considerably more than the joint total for “Communist” and “Communists,” and well over twice what you get for “Communism.” Such prominence seems rather excessive, given that throughout most of the 20th century, Communism controlled some one-third of the world’s population, and the resulting political conflict periodically threatened to unleash global thermonuclear war. Even today, a self-described Communist Party governs China, a nation 1.4 billion strong, which by some measures has now passed the U.S. to become the world’s largest economy. Meanwhile, the last time the KKK held any significant political power was almost 100 years ago, during its Midwestern heyday of the 1920s. And if we focus on the sanguinary consequences of the two movements, the imbalance is even greater. The famous Black Book of Communism, published in 1991, claimed that across the 20th century, Communist regimes had racked up a peacetime total of roughly 100 million human fatalities, and although that latter figure has been widely disputed as a considerable exaggeration, the true number is surely in the many tens of millions, with merely the famine deaths induced by Mao’s disastrous Great Leap Forward of 1959-1961 usually pegged at 35 million or more. Meanwhile, the victims of the notorious KKK seem rather fewer in number. The Wikipedia entry for the KKK is over twice as long as that for Communism, and hardly seeks to airbrush the misdeeds of that violent organization, but only manages to provide some 15 murder victims, all listed by name, drawn from the combined decades of the 1950s and 1960s, which represented the height of the Klan’s modern power. This apparent gap between 15 deaths and perhaps 70,000,000 or so seems rather wide. Not only does the KKK total pale in comparison with Stalin and his considerable body-count, but during its two decades of greatest infamy all those hundreds or thousands of armed Klansmen accounted for fewer victims than the number sometimes sent to the Chicago city morgue over a long holiday weekend these days, let alone what various half-forgotten teenage spree-killers produced during their individual short rampages. For example, a decade ago disgruntled Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho killed 33 people within a couple of hours, and he hardly remains a household name these days. Meanwhile, the last of those infamous 15 KKK racial killings took place a full half-century ago. A considerable disproportionality between media attention and actual activity seems undeniable. I still don’t think he’ll make it to 2020. justamug 7 8 Reply | Pick | Pick george may Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter 17 Jan 2018 22:27 Twitter 34 35 If he’s still in the White House in 2019, yes. The thing about Trump that the left simply can’t grasp is that he won because his policies are popular. 4 5 Support The Guardian Share Share on Facebook 18 Jan 2018 13:37 “Please let me be wrong!” You are allowed the bliss of your ignorance. | Pick And don’t forget Putin’a Russia, which was really the first populist right government in recent times (which is why the Republicans look up to them so much). And while it’s true that “the traditional (and terminally complacent) centre and left are mired in failed economic and social policies which have radically degraded the quality of life of millions of people”, the populist right, in practice, is doing exactly the same thing, or worse. Antagonym arusenior | Pick Reply Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Reply Share Hibernica Oddly enough, remove right from that comment and add left, and it remains just as accurate.And the results are often as terrible when they do get it together enough to seize power Facebook mintaka Share on Twitter “the party is doing everything within its power to support him” You mean apart from when it isn’t – https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/23/us/politics/trump-mccain-graham-cassidy-health-care-obamacare.html See Jeff Flake, McCain, Susan Collins etc. arusenior Share on Twitter notatwork Since you’re here… Reply Topics TheCubanGentlemen Contact author Donald Trump The NYT, for example, gives plenty of space to centre-right commentators. charlieblue Facebook UnappreciatedGenius Stillgrizzly 17 Jan 2018 20:22 9 10 Reply 10 11 Facebook | Pick Share Report bobrian 17 Jan 2018 20:35 | Pick bobrian 17 Jan 2018 22:02 11 12 Share on Twitter | Pick Wilders PVV and Baudet FvD are in parliament and are very right wing, with a lot of seats and also influence on the christian democrats CDA and conservative liberals VVD, which both have become more right wing in their ideas. Making a centrist coalition government much more difficult in the Netherlands. Share on Facebook Share Report Twitter Reply 17 Jan 2018 20:31 mintaka Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share on Twitter 18 19 UnappreciatedGenius Steve Bannon Facebook Share on Facebook Facebook Twitter Trump brought in many more new voters. The so called Rean Democrats. The Union workers are more likely to vote for Republicans now than ever before. Many have said good bye to the Dems TheCubanGentlemen george may mintaka Report | Pick 6 7 | Pick Facebook UnevenSurface Share on Facebook 37 38 Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Reply Report Share on Facebook richmanchester Facebook Share on Facebook What is going on in the US?Is this Trump and his values representative for the people of US?Looks like traditional media can’t touch him at all, as more they write as stronger he looks to get.I have already start to fear he will win the reelection. Seven more years….Please let me be wrong! Reply 17 Jan 2018 19:42 Trump administration When racists and violent fanatics unite in common cause, I do not believe it can be “over reported”. petefromcornwall Share Reply DeltaFoxWhiskyMike george may next fungus | Pick | Pick Reply Report expatinscandinavia All the while the mainstream Reps in Washington get on with business as usual, dismantling health care, cutting taxes for the very richest, allowing exploitation of resources in sensitive areas etc.Its like they’re experienced politicians or something Share on Facebook | Pick 17 Jan 2018 22:16 Report Share Even after one year in office, it remains difficult to determine the state of the far right in Trump’s America. There is no doubt that the president himself has strong far-right instincts, as his many authoritarian, nativist, and even racist statements show over and over. But Trump is neither an ideologue nor a politician. His instincts tend to lead to shoddy executive orders, which are shot down later, rather than effective policies that survive judicial scrutiny. Hence, his administration’s policies have been mostly conservative (on steroids) rather than radical-right.At the same time, his personality and power have transformed both the mainstream and radical right from relatively strong, independent movements into increasingly loose collections of individuals and organizations who chase the president’s favor at whatever price, including ideological consistency and organizational independence. This has led to a situation where the differences between the old right (eg Fox News) and the new right (eg Breitbart) have become negligible, marginalizing the latter rather than the former. And that is just how Trump likes it.Cas Mudde is the author of Populism: A Very Short Introduction and The Far Right in AmericaSign up to receive the latest US opinion pieces every weekday Report Share on Facebook 60 61 Share on Twitter Okio Yonio 17 Jan 2018 22:20 | Pick 3 4 17 Jan 2018 20:42 Report Outside the White House, the situation of the far-right movement is not much better. The extreme right, hiding behind the term “alt-right”, of racists like David Duke and Richard Spencer has expressed great political ambitions, but has been unable to bring together more than 100 people since the deadly demonstration in Charlottesville in August. They remain an online troll army, which mainly survives because of the disproportionate attention of the (mostly liberal) media. They have no political relevance outside of their violent potential.At first sight, the situation of the radical right seems the exact opposite, with authoritarianism and nativism dominating the political debate and presidential tweets. But while radical right discourse dominates US politics, and radical right policies have become mainstream within broad sections of the “conservative” movement, radical right leaders and organizations are struggling to adapt to the changed environment.Within the Republican party, longstanding radical right politicians like Dana Rohrabacher of California and Steve King of Iowa might have become even more open about their nativism and support for Vladimir Putin, but they remain fairly marginal within both Congress and the White House. At the same time, at the local and state level, many establishment Republicans now run radical right campaigns, hoping to profit from the illustrious Trump effect, but it is doubtful they will actually vote as radical rightists (if they get elected). And even if they do, it is doubtful it will be enough for the still radicalizing base, who in 2016 considered former “Tea Party warriors” as “establishment Republicans”.Outside of the party, the radical right movement is going through withdrawal after its 2016 Trump high. Stalwarts like Breitbart have not just lost their man in the White House but also their distinct voice within the rightwing media landscape. As Nicole Hemmer has persuasively argued, with the conservative media now fully embracing the president, Breitbart has become “just another right-wing Trump cheerleader”. Rather than setting the agenda for Trump directly, radical right media like Breitbart and the Daily Caller can at best hope to influence Fox News anchors like Tucker Carlson and shows like Fox and Friends, who have the most direct line to the president: his television set. King Kong AbsolutelyFapulous Reply 18 19 Twitter 17 Jan 2018 20:52 Facebook Twitter Share on Twitter Facebook And the fact that they placed any faith at all in the orange overlord is indicative of what a bunch of desperate dolts these people are. | Pick What the media calls the far right and what the far right is are two completely different things. Everyone who voices the opinion they who don’t want to be flooded with people who don’t want to assimilate is far right according to the MSM. Realistically the far right consists of a minuscule number of people with few followers. Most of the medias poster boys for the far right/alt right are just right regular right wing conservatives like a large percentage of the population… eg Milo, Ben Shapiro etc… Show 10 more replies Facebook Report Reply 21 22 Kevin Quigley Share Facebook collapsed roverthehillandfaraw zolotoy Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Report Twitter comments (1052)Sign in or create your Guardian account to join the discussion. Facebook Share on Twitter Share 4 5 Facebook Facebook Share on Facebook | Pick 0 1 Twitter | Pick Facebook Facebook Twitter | Pick Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Twitter Twitter Share on Facebook 21 22 Share on Twitter Share on Facebook 7 8 18 Jan 2018 17:53 Share on Twitter 17 Jan 2018 20:02 Share on Facebook 18 Jan 2018 1:04 Reply NickedTurpin Read more 4 Twitter Report 18 Jan 2018 14:41 17 Jan 2018 19:35 Twitter Facebook Terry McAuliffe isn’t a “liberal” (in the American sense) and there are no “liberal” media of consequence in America. johannbueno 17 Jan 2018 20:29 Share 6 7 5 6 | Pick Share on Twitter Order by oldest Share on Facebook Twitter | Pick Report petefromcornwall Reply Share on Facebook Report Share on Facebook | Pick Share on Twitter Report 74 75 Reply Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Share They are people who believe that white people are the victims in today’s society, Share Report Facebook Share on Facebook Antagonym Twitter 17 Jan 2018 21:57 Share Share Report 9 10 Twitter Share The only one to (so far) survive the president’s ire, despite being close to both Bannon and Sessions, has been Stephen Miller, who almost effortlessly transformed from Sessions’ communications director into Trump’s senior policy adviser. His CNN interview earlier this month might have jeopardized his strong position, however, bringing not just more scrutiny from liberals like the former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe, but also from the “audience of one” that Jake Tapper referred to. Because while Trump loves people who go out in the trenches of the (liberal) media to defend him, he does not tolerate “losers”, however he defines that term, as an unprecedented list of political has-beens evidences – anyone still remember “the Mooch”? 17 Jan 2018 20:32 Reply Perhaps the attention paid the KKK in America is because its message still resonates today with many people, enabling them to implicitly support a system based on racism. The damage of the KKK message is greater than the simple number of recorded lynchings and beatings. Communism, on the other hand, has never found support in the U.S. from those who might benefit from a redistribution of wealth, and the number of fatalities you point to has to remember how little attention most Americans pay to the plight of foreigners. So you might consider that the attention paid the KKK is a media shorthand reference to the acceptance of a message that never seems to go out of style Yes, I agree – extreme views (left and right) are never compatible with reality and practicality. They are just idealistic fantasies. The alt-right probably don’t need to protest so much these days. Their guy won the election. Like UKIP in this country, they have achieved what they set out to do, so the need for their continued political existence is greatly diminished. Share on Twitter “there are no “liberal” media of consequence in America.” CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Vox, Slate, every single late-night chat show and comedy show. All have either supported the Democrats or are outright left-wing, and all have massive viewerships/readerships. How does a media institution be of consequence in your world? complete inability to see another person’s point of view When I assessed Donald Trump’s first 100 days in office for my book The Far Right in America, I concluded that “the Trump administration is a chaotic beehive of various factions, which are isolated from and opposed to each other, and all vie for the attention of the president”. In essence, little has changed, even if many of the personalities have since moved on. And the reason is simple: this is how Trump likes it!Within the White House, the far right has been practically decimated. With Steve Bannon’s departure, and recent excommunication, the Breitbart faction has become marginalized. Clowns like “Dr” Sebastian Gorka have been kicked out, while others, including his wife, Katharine Gorka, work under the shadow of being purged, too. The attorney general, Jeff Sessions, has fallen out of Trump’s favor, but remains influential within the Department of Justice and a continuing threat to the rights and protections of minorities. Show 3 more replies Twitter Report Read more Facebook Reply Show Share on Facebook 4 5 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Have you got reading problems? I would not touch one part or the other with a barge pole. And if I was Dictator in the US, I would have have both the Senate and Congress shot as Enemies of the people. Share on Twitter Facebook 10 11 17 Jan 2018 19:25 This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs. Share on Twitter | Pick 7 8 Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter | Pick Indeed. Socialism has a record of total, catastrophic failure, but it continues to attract (deluded and naive) adherents. Neo-liberalism, however, has been an astonishing success, driving the world to unheard standards of political freedom, personal wellbeing and economic prosperity. Now, which is more popular? 3 4 The “long form birth certificate” released by Obama is such an obvious fake that I wonder if its purpose is akin to a Nigerian email. In other words, it is so fake, it allows the CTRL-LEFT to note who defends it, thus identifying & filtering them as somewhat useful & very loyal but ultimately very stupid idealogues. Like you, perhaps? 17 Jan 2018 19:59 Because it was over-sensationalised for its size and conflated with every conservative and/or Republican? Hopefully some sensibility has resumed. “But Trump is neither an ideologue nor a politician. His instincts tend to lead to shoddy executive orders, which are shot down later, rather than effective policies that survive judicial scrutiny” Its almost like the checks and balances in the US system work more or less. Share on Facebook Kevin Quigley Share | Pick Facebook Of course it can, that’s rather a silly thing to say. Twitter | Pick Report I’m still here. “anyone still remember “the Mooch”? Of course we do. We also remember Napoleon XIV (ask your parents), same ilk. 17 Jan 2018 20:05 | Pick What economic success? You mean the continuation of the slow growth that started under Obama? Not messing up pre-existing growth is not a success. Its just the absence of complete failure. Share on Facebook johan1974 Report 35 36 | Pick | Pick george may Report That’s the real dangerous right. What used to be called neo-cons from the Chicago School – but is now mainstream Republican policy that is aiming to kill every last piece of the New Deal. Bye bye Social security, welfare, food banks, community. Let’s go back to the 1900s. Let’s stop farting around with the alt-right crap and fight the real enemy of democracy. | Pick KarenBlitz 17 Jan 2018 20:14 With the extreme right-wing mentality, comes hatred, a love of conflict and complete inability to see another person’s point of view. No wonder they can never organise themselves beyond anything other than mass internet trolling. Put them in the same room together and they soon start turning each other, because they can’t get on with anyone, even themselves. AbsolutelyFapulous Twitter Twitter Share Reply Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 20:24 17 Jan 2018 19:41 Reply Twitter Share on LinkedIn 124 125 24 25 Twitter 5 6 17 Jan 2018 19:40 Report “Then I assessed Donald Trump’s first 100 days in office for my book The Far Right in America,” USA has no Far right other than a loon fringe – the whole ‘Far Right’ mere hysteria spread by the lingering British Trotskyists who still have a heavy heavy foot in the Media and Education industries. Trump voters are just regular working people. You know, not the bleeding heart champaign Socialists, or welfare scroungers, but people with jobs who go to work in the morning. 11 12 King Kong Share on Facebook TubestrikeSimulator Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 19:43 Real global GDP: 1980: $19tr. 2016: C$85tr Global life expectancy: 1980: 62. 2016: 72 Global population: 1980: 4.4bn. 2016: 7.4bn. The neo-liberal era has been a stunning success. Do you have comparable figures for the “era of socialist capitalism” – say 1935 – 1980? No, of course you don’t. As for “stealing the best ideas from Communists” what are you on, and can I have some? Share 0 1 Share on Twitter Facebook Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter Liberaltarian82 While radical-right discourse dominates US politics, far-right leaders haven’t seized this moment Share on Twitter bobrian Share on Twitter Liberaltarian82 Facebook Twitter | Pick Slaughterteddy View more comments Share Share on Twitter Reply Or as a right-winger he just needs content y which he keeps his imbecile audience angry… never mind the truth. Email (optional) Share on Facebook Facebook Share | Pick richmanchester 17 Jan 2018 21:00 Share | Pick Share Facebook Share | Pick Report Share on Facebook | Pick Share Report Hopefully 2020 will see the end of the political career of the hapless Trump. It just depends on the Democrats picking the right candidate. Don’t forget in 2016 they are universally considered to have chosen the wrong candidate and she still managed to outperform Trump during the campaign, effortlessly won the three televised debates and managed to outpoll him by almost 3 million votes. Imagine what will happen if they manage to choose the correct candidate next time….. Share on Twitter Share Share Reply KarenBlitz Share on Facebook Share on Facebook Liberaltarian82 Reply Share on Twitter richmanchester Twitter In contrast, nearly all the Democratic brass, in the form of the Super-delegates, fell in early behind their candidate, confident that she would insure their rightful place in the government. Instead of 17 candidates like the Republican camp, they only had to freeze out the one guy who might have actually beaten Trump. christiecd 17 Jan 2018 20:03 Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 19:55 not the bleeding heart champaign Socialists Report Report Share on Facebook Facebook richmanchester 27 28 UnevenSurface Report 17 Jan 2018 20:12 2 3 Due to the large number of comments, they are being shown 100 per page. 11 12 17 Jan 2018 22:40 | Pick 17 Jan 2018 22:42 Facebook Thank you for your feedback. 17 Jan 2018 19:47 Share Nothing survives its own success. 40 41 Twitter Twitter Reply expatinscandinavia Share | Pick Report Twitter Reply Facebook Report roverthehillandfaraw Report 17 Jan 2018 22:24 10 11 Ahh yes – the ‘ignoble voters’. 17 Jan 2018 20:13 Report | Pick Report Reply 17 Jan 2018 20:12 Facebook 42 43 Mass prosperity increased far more rapidly in the era of Socialist Capitalism than it ever has done during the Neo Liberal Era. Indeed Capitalism only survived its propensity to eat itself by stealing the best ideas from Communists. As for popularity. If you gave people a clear choice between a system which prioritises the needs of most people over a system which prioritises the profit making capacities of a tiny minority, then I can’t imagine the latter would win. All Share Reply Share on Facebook Share 2 Share variation31 TheCubanGentlemen Antagonym Report Share on Pinterest Share on Twitter US politics Facebook Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter 32 33 Report petefromcornwall Share Boomflaps Reply 17 18 Such pieces are intended to smear the Republican party and current administration with association with small neo-Fascist groups.The question such pieces should instead be asking is what arguments the Democrats are currently putting forward to challenge the relative economic success of the POTUS#45 administration and a perception that tax cuts are good for small companies, middle-class families and those whose revenues took a major dent thanks to Obama’s health reforms. Facebook digit johan1974 Reply Share on Twitter It’s not too difficult to ‘smear’ the Republican party and the current administration with the ‘far right’ tag when only a few months ago Trump professed himself to be neutral between the Nazi and ant-Nazi forces withing his own country. And relative economic success of Trump? Don’t make me laugh. He inherited an economy from Obama that had just created 10 million jobs in the last six year; pretty damn impressive when you consider the colossal mess he inherited from the previous Republican incumbent. That ‘economic success’ you’re talking about is just an indication that Trump hasn’t quite managed to undermine Obama’s success yet. Reply Share As others have rightly said, there is a lot of repetition of the tiresome and simplistic name-calling here. Together with the plugging of her own book here, there is little in this CIF for the reader who wants to wants understand the situation in the US better. Share | Pick 17 Jan 2018 19:54 Share Share 13 14 Stillgrizzly Reply The Republicans are now the party of identity politics 17 Jan 2018 20:14 29 30 Facebook Share on Twitter Laurence Bury beansAbroad 29 30 Share on Twitter Reply Report Twitter Twitter Reply Twitter Twitter Share I agree. The Guardian loves to always attack Donald Trump… but the extreme right rising all across Europe. Europe is still a very religious & conservative place… especially the UK, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Turkey, Russia, etc. Share on Facebook Reply Reply 17 Jan 2018 20:18 Reply george may Share on Facebook _plank_ charlieblue 71 72 Share on Twitter … Show 9 more replies Doug_Mclure Reply 5 6 Twitter Share on Facebook Laurence Bury Report Facebook Report Share on Twitter LiminalJay Facebook 17 Jan 2018 20:08 17 Jan 2018 19:59 Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter 7 8 Twitter Reply Share on Twitter 17 Jan 2018 22:49 Facebook 17 Jan 2018 20:13 Share on Facebook Facebook Facebook george, you going on about ignorance is like coals to Newcastle. 0 1 Pseudaletia 17 Jan 2018 20:10 Share on Twitter | Pick Facebook 12 13 Share on Twitter Share via Email | Pick | Pick Reply Share The “populist right” is now mainstream. The USA, for better or ill, has Trump. Britain has Brexit, without question a populist-right triumph, and while UKIP has collapsed a large faction of the Tory Party is interchangeable from it. Austria, Poland and Hungary have populist-right governments, while the AFD in Germany is clearly a rising force, as are the Swedish Democrats in, er, Sweden. France saw the FN gain a third of the vote in the presidential elections, the Northern League is surging in Italy. Even nice little Holland has Wilders, and Rutte only beat him by stealing his clothes. The reason is simple – the traditional (and terminally complacent) centre and left are mired in failed economic and social policies which have radically degraded the quality of life of millions of people. Unless they acknowledge and address these failures – and there is no sign that they will, preferring to blame the “deplorables” for disagreeing with them – their rolling collapse will continue. Hibernica Share 17 Jan 2018 22:41 Reply … we have a small favour to ask. 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Trump’s economic policies could well produce an economic boom in the US, and if that happens the rest of the world must follow his course of lower taxes and less regulation. Electorates are forcing liberal social policies into headlong retreat. A few more years, we’ll be able to judge what actually works. Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Report Doug_Mclure Reply 7 8 They’re all resting down in Cornwall, writing up their memoirs for a paperback edition of the Boy Scout’s manual. Reply Report 17 Jan 2018 20:28 Facebook christiecd Reply You lost me at “could”. He isn’t doing anything so revolutionary that its effects can’t be foreseen. In fact, he’s only rehashing things that didn’t work the first time. Reply I actually had tea with Screaming Lord Sutch and his mother at their house in Pinner. 23 24 Share on Facebook The extreme right, hiding behind the term “alt-right”, (..) but has been unable to bring together more than 100 people since the deadly demonstration in Charlottesville in August. They remain an online troll army, which mainly survives because of the disproportionate attention of the (mostly liberal) media. The exact same thing is happening to the alt right in Europe (or in our own the Netherlands, Cas above the line!). The last Pegida demonstration in my city attracted 50 people, none of them locals apparently. Pegida was so disappointed with this that they posted a letter on their facebook page to the local population calling us traitors.. Made me smile. One thing’s worrying: as they’re so desperate for media attention, every single one of their next action (or demonstration) seems to be even more hateful and extremist than the previous one. On the plus side, this simultaneously further diminishes their chances of attracting mainstream support. Twitter UnevenSurface I don’t think the stated goal of the alt-right was to get Donald Trump into the White House. From what I’ve read, their goal is a North American ‘ethnostate’ of white folks. 17 Jan 2018 20:23 Facebook Krautolivier 8 9 Anyone who has worked in American business (especially the real estate business) on the East Coast will recognize Trump’s tactics.It’s standard practice in that milieu to play off one faction against the other and concurrently make sure of a quick turnover in personnel.I can’t really understand why anyone is surprised at Trump’s behavior. Reply Share Quick guide What happened at the Charlottesville protests? 17 Jan 2018 21:01 Share on Facebook Threads collapsed Share Share Trump’s economic policies could well produce an economic boom in the US, and if that happens the rest of the world must follow his course of lower taxes and less regulation. Reply Sorry there was an error. Please try again later. If the problem persists, please contact Userhelp Twitter Reply 17 Jan 2018 22:12 Share on Facebook Facebook Report Share on Twitter Reply Report Show 25 Liberaltarian82 17 Jan 2018 20:16 Share Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Reply Twitter Facebook Show 33 more replies Last modified on Thu 5 Jul 2018 16.46 EDT That is all good ! But has the democratic party become more relevant ? No, they are as Much in love with Clinton as ever, forget it! Twitter Twitter Andy Giddings 17 Jan 2018 20:42 AbsolutelyFapulous I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that the essence of the far right right is hate and bigotry while the essence of communism is about fairness and idealism. The reality of both is less clearly differentiated. Still, the motivation is important when deciding which way your life view is biased. Facebook Close report comment form Report @casmudde Share on Twitter mintaka | Pick Report Reply Share AbsolutelyFapulous Twitter 34 35 Reply Report Share 7 8 Don’t forget Trumps Big Lie! That he sent an investigator to Hawaii who discovered that Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery. Who’s playbook did Trump pull that one form? What kind of deplorable people would buy into that kind of demagoguery? I think most of those folks are beyond reason! What other president in our history proclaimed the press to be, “The enemy of the people,” a la, Hitler, Stalin, Mao? What former president ever called on the justice department to investigate their political enemies or to believe the Justice Department should display loyalty to the chief executive? The same coalition of right wing protestants, anti union workers and rich industrialists who elected Hitler are the same coalition in this country that got Trump an electoral victory. The people who voted for Hitler, for the most part, never imagined that he’d do the things he did. Share on Twitter Twitter Share Reply Facebook Share on Facebook | Pick digit Wed 17 Jan 2018 06.00 EST 18 Jan 2018 17:59 AgentC 17 Jan 2018 21:07 | Pick 40 41 carole king Share on Facebook Facebook | Pick Share on Twitter Report Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 20:28 Report Report Share on Twitter 17 Jan 2018 20:18 Racism, hatred and violence are not traditional “conservative” values. Twitter Share on Twitter Share | Pick Jordon Hayward Facebook 3 4 51 52 The fact that they continue to trust and support Trump and his kleptocratic crew, despite a full year of rampant dumbfuckery is a clear indication of blind, stupidly adherent bias to morally bankrupt ideaologies. Indeed. The Dems seriously need to re-evaluate what they stand for, and how far they’ve drifted from that. They also need to learn how to win again: the Tea Party’s influence was always far greater than their numbers because they knew how to mobilize politically, and when and where to exert pressure. The Dems have to change: but the rewards are potentially huge given that the GOP’s trajectory is ever-rightwards, slowly boxing it into a smaller and smaller area of the political landscape. Show 19 more replies | Pick Report Share on Twitter Twitter Extreme centrist here, my arse is sore from sitting on the fence so hard. Share on Facebook | Pick | Pick Reply 17 Jan 2018 20:28 Share on Twitter | Pick Share Twitter Report Share on Twitter TheCubanGentlemen Share on Facebook Is this Trump and his values representative for the people of US? Stranger1548 expatinscandinavia Report Report Just last night listening to Milo Y talking about the horror of a British court upholding a decision to offer all men cervical smears. Yes, really. Milo’s source for this information – the Daily Mash. It’s hilarious – have a laugh over lunch. Reply 34 35 Share Share via Email Twitter 17 Jan 2018 20:01 Reply | Pick Facebook Stranger1548 Share on Twitter Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 22:38 george may | Pick whataboutnecho I think most of them believe that they are PEOPLE who are victims in todays society, its mostly very privileged others who defined everything in terms of race and identity. This situation of extreme polarisation is what identity politics leads to, the real victims of any system are always defined by class first and everything else last. But its better for the multi racial, totally international class which runs the show if all the rats just keep fighting each other in the nice sack they created for us. Reply Report | Pick 0 1 Share on Facebook Far right? More like far wrong! expatinscandinavia 100 Share on Messenger mintaka Report Report 9 10 Show 7 more replies Report 8 9 Report Facebook Facebook | Pick NeverMindTheBollocks TheCubanGentlemen | Pick petefromcornwall Reply Share 1 Share on Facebook Reply I don’t believe the situation has changed all that much since Trump’s election. It’s not like people were queuing up to hear the demented ramblings of Richard Spencer or David Duke before the election. As the author correctly points out, the media give way too much attention to these fringe lunatics because they generate clicks and make for ‘exciting’ headlines. If the media and Democrats want to defeat Trump in 2020, it might be a better idea to focus on the 63 million people who voted for him who, y’know, aren’t Nazis. TheCubanGentlemen Facebook Report charlieblue At least that “lot of words” is coherent. 0 1 17 Jan 2018 20:24 Share on Facebook | Pick Reuse this content,View all comments > 45 46 Facebook Facebook 2 3 Share | Pick Report Report That’s far from unique to the far right. It is displayed all the time on this site by people claiming to be far left. Share 17 Jan 2018 19:42 Laurence Bury The Republican Party’s outright appeasement of Trump and utter failure to distance itself from his hate speech and discriminatory actions is a stain all of their own making that will never wash out. Remember, Paul Ryan called the ‘shithole’ remarks, ‘unfortunate’. That’s all he had to say. charlieblue digit Twitter DefinitionOfMadness Twitter Share on Twitter Share on Twitter Report Share Reply Share 18 19 | Pick Twitter | Pick Report Share on Twitter TubestrikeSimulator Twitter Share zolotoy unthreaded Share on Twitter Share on Facebook notatwork Reply Twitter | Pick Report | Pick Report Share Twitter Indeed…even Steven Pinker, cognitive scientist at Harvard and a left-leaning centrist, was recently labeled as “alt-right” by the usual suspects for simply pointing out that many people (foolishly) gravitate towards the far right when they encounter facts online that are never mentioned in the halls of academia or the MSM. Reply Share 17 Jan 2018 20:51 Twitter 3 Share Comments 1,052 Share on Facebook 7 8 justamug Show 1 more reply Share johan1974 15 16 So? There are left-wingers on Fox all the time (Al Sharpton and Mark Lamont Hill spring to mind). Does that make Fox left-wing? You’re so ideologically skewed that the mainstream media in the US (which consistently and demonstrably supports left of center and democrat politicians) is “right-wing” to you. Facebook 3 4 Twitter | Pick Twitter Facebook | Pick Twitter Facebook 9 10 Share Reply Share Reply Please select Personal abuse Off topic Legal issue Trolling Hate speech Offensive/Threatening language Copyright Spam Other Share on Twitter Share on Facebook 10 11 Facebook 17 Jan 2018 19:58 | Pick TheCubanGentlemen Facebook Show 14 more replies Report Facebook Twitter Report Share on Facebook Twitter Share on Twitter Republicans Share on Facebook Facebook SnowyJohn Kevin Quigley Facebook Reply Form400 | Pick Liberaltarian82 | Pick Show 3 more replies Opinion Facebook Share Was this helpful? Maybe it hasn’t had the impact because it was over reported in the first place…? Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter | Pick Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Facebook Share Report george may 17 Jan 2018 20:36 24 25 Share on Twitter UnevenSurface Share Share on Facebook 21 22 Share on Twitter 32 33 Twitter Report 15 16 Share on WhatsApp 17 Jan 2018 20:55 Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 20:15 Neither are they the Austin socialists or the Berkeley socialists or the Raleigh-Durham socialists. But we knew that already. They are people who believe that white people are the victims in today’s society, who believe that the world owes them a living because their ancestors militarily defeated and dispossessed someone else, who are resentful of the loss of privilege even while denying that they ever had any. Share Share Reply Share on Twitter Twitter Twitter Report charlieblue King Kong Share on Facebook … 17 Jan 2018 19:23 Reply lesliecanada 22 23 Shares253253 Share on Twitter The American far right is crashing after its Trump victory high Reply Report 17 Jan 2018 20:27 Twitter 12 13 | Pick 60 61 charlieblue Show 21 more replies 8 9 Share Share on Facebook Twitter Hide Share roverthehillandfaraw 17 Jan 2018 20:42 17 Jan 2018 19:33 Share | Pick Twitter Share on Facebook 17 Jan 2018 19:24 Report Share on Twitter As night follows day, wherever anybody critisizes Fat Donny, one of the deplorable crowd will stand up and yell, “But… but, Hillary!!!” Hillary Clinton lost the election, and is irrelevant here. Your sad, desperate need to continue villifying one old woman, to the exclusion of all other consdierations, says a great deal more about you than it does that “democratic party” you hate so much. newest Jordon Hayward ID6288397 Facebook FuriousKale That he even believes that is possible is telling | Pick Report Share on Facebook Reply Share on Twitter TheCubanGentlemen Facebook 26 27 Facebook Share Reply Reply Lucia Graves Share Share Share on Facebook Facebook Facebook Twitter Facebook “Just last night listening to Milo Y talking about the” I was watching gorilla wrestling videos and missed it. 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